iste2012

**Background** It is no secret that mass media is an important part of today’s cultural landscape. But while people are consuming media, they are also creating it. More and more, people are creating their own messages, sharing the work of others, and excerpting from other people’s work as part of their own creativity, learning and development. Therefore, there is a need for a strong understanding of the concepts of copyright and fair use and how to apply it in an educational setting.

While copyright and fair use can be confusing to navigate you CAN use copyrighted material in your creative work! The panel goal is to explain fair use as a reasoning process in order to reduce copyright confusion. We will model the process by sharing scenarios for the audience to deconstruct and will go through our own reasoning and analysis of “sticky copyright situations” and share helpful ideas regarding how to teach students and staff about copyright and fair use. BACKCHANNEL: @http://todaysmeet.com/CopyrightISTE12

**Guides for Fair Use Reasoning** Media Education Lab Fair Use reasoning form Copyright Genie

**Other Resources** http://mediaeducationlab.com/copyright http://www.teachingcopyright.org/ http://us.iearn.org/professional-development/copyright http://librarycopyright.net/resources/genie/ https://www.lib.umn.edu/copyright/fairthoughts media type="custom" key="19628986"

Mr Rodger's Garden of your Mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFzXaFbxDcM Cowboy's & Aliens Remix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cDH6CYzTAw User's Right Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tWhKeb-fUQ Barak Obama sings: Call Me Maybe- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX1YVzdnpEc (even more Obama Remixes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AijEQN6AuRs&list=UUvHn0MTf40rdEQu6Y2yNL5g&index=5&feature=plcp) Wishery: A Disney Remix http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs1bG6BIYlo Remix Culture- Fair Use is your friend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCpBhU16TzI Mayberry After Midnight Trailer: @http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSt6c5-whHY&sns=em
 * Intro VIdeo Remix Clips**

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TODAY'S MEET ARCHIVE

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Add your scenarios & copyright / fair use questions here! Kristin at 14:19 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web Welcome, y'all! GingerLewman at 16:56 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web Is this video posted somewhere? (fun!) @thisjay at 17:07 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web Mr. Rogers Remix. Fan. Tastic. Nathan at 17:08 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web great stuff Sam at 17:08 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web The garden of your mind remix is here - http://youtu.be/OFzXaFbxDcM Sonja at 17:09 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">always think about Scary Mary when I see a remix Nancy at 17:10 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">http://copyrightconfusion.wikispaces.com/ISTE2012 Lisa Parisi at 17:10 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">That link has all the resources from today, including the video. Lisa Parisi at 17:10 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Love Obama, can't stand the song.. Sam at 17:11 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Great intro materials! Can't wait for session to officially start! Maureen at 17:11 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">ready and waiting, not patiently cause i'm from NY Mitch at 17:12 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Me, too, Mitch. LOL Lisa Parisi at 17:13 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Showing YouTube videos in class Michelle E at 17:14 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Lovin the videos! Dana at 17:14 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Lisa, I thought you were Minnesota nice Mitch at 17:15 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Please tell me this whole video is available somewhere... Nathan at 17:15 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Nope, born and raised and living in NY Lisa Parisi at 17:15 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">http://copyrightconfusion.wikispaces.com/ISTE2012 Lisa Parisi at 17:16 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Hoping this session will be archived online. It would be an ideal resource for my students and staff. dmantz7 at 17:16 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">good intro materials - nice way to make the point about transforming repurposing... Matthew at 17:16 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Came in late - did you show nina paley's "everything is a remix?" Matthew at 17:16 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">This is the link to all resources included Lisa Parisi at 17:16 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Good intro Staci at 17:16 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Please do help others at your table connect here, ok? We'll be friendly. GingerLewman at 17:17 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">loved the intro! writin4change Janet at 17:17 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">http://copyrightconfusion.wikispaces.com/ISTE2012 GingerLewman at 17:18 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Why are you here? Lisa Parisi at 17:18 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Great intro. Love the fair use video - already glad I chose your session! Doug at 17:18 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">What is legitimate? Greg Berger at 17:19 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">What was the name of the iPad app for the videos? Tanya at 17:19 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">What was that iPad app she said? April at 17:19 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">iCab Mobile for iPad to edit YT videos dmantz7 at 17:20 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">This session isnt about legal vs legal. It's about thinking, considering, and exercising your rights. GingerLewman at 17:20 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Icabmobile Lisa Parisi at 17:20 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Thx April at 17:20 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Nice engage! Lee at 17:21 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">30 seconds of music? Greg Berger at 17:21 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">This will be an audience-active session. Be ready. :) GingerLewman at 17:22 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">This sounds very interesting Mike Sclafani at 17:22 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Who is just like Ginger? Lisa Parisi at 17:23 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Who feels the need to be the boss? Lisa Parisi at 17:24 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Does anyone have any experiences with Creative Commons? Is it limited in its content? Sam at 17:24 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">I rebelled against the boss role. Lisa Parisi at 17:25 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Very limited, Sam Mike Sclafani at 17:25 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Yes, Sam Lisa Parisi at 17:25 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">We use C.C. with the newspaper. We can usually find something we need. Mike Sclafani at 17:25 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">I have NEVER had a kid ask before using any media. Is the reality more cultural? Greg Berger at 17:26 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">I love cc, but sometimes it's not enough. And sometimes creating our own doesnt allow us to continue the "flow" in learning we're looking fo GingerLewman at 17:27 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Greg, we have those conversations every day. I think I probably bring it up first. Lisa Parisi at 17:27 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">I really like pics4learning.com and teach them how to use the bio Andrea at 17:27 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">So is it ok if they are not asking is attribution important? Kristin at 17:27 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Greg, my kids never ask either. So it's up to me to ask them the questions about fair use. GingerLewman at 17:28 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">We need to teach the kids to ask about using media. Kathy at 17:28 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">I begin the year with a unit covering copyright, as it is in the CTE standards, but students tend to see how rules. Are more often bent than Greg Berger at 17:29 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Perhaps covering the importance of appropriate referencing? (MLA etc) Sam at 17:29 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Can we be a force and voice against copyright laws that are too restrictive? Mitch at 17:29 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Google Advanced Search - usage rights is a great starting place. Reuben Hoffman at 17:29 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">My experience has been that kids don't realize that people own media. Remix generation! Dana Huff at 17:30 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Mitch, I think that's the ultimate point of where we're going. My old practices never exercised our rights. GingerLewman at 17:31 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">True, Dana, and that's what I talk about. Lisa Parisi at 17:31 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">@Sam if you use google docs there is a cool research function that will cite media in footnotes Blake at 17:31 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">I use the OWL from Purdue as a basis in my copyright unit. Greg Berger at 17:31 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">@mitch the problem is not the law it's understanding what our rights are to be exempt from the law Kristin at 17:31 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Who is doing the session? Kristen? Jan Conger at 17:32 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Blake, I love that new feature! GingerLewman at 17:32 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">@Blake, really? wow I use Google Docs a lot but nvr realised that! thx! Sam at 17:32 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Lisa - you are never "just a teacher!" Tom at 17:32 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">One reason I like using Creative Commons is that it also informs our students who might be CREATING their own works about how to share them Carolyn F. at 17:32 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Lisa should take out the word 'just' when introducing herself! She's a teacher and a great one. Bonnie at 17:32 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">I am enjoying this panel. Great slides and I know content will be awesome. Do miss having a librarian on panel. ;) Carolyn F. at 17:32 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">@Sam it was just released a few weeks ago Blake at 17:33 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">@jan myself...Lisa Parisi, Ginger Lewman, Gail Desler& Sandy Hayes Kristin at 17:33 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">@jan is an on demand video session Kristin at 17:33 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Cooool... Love it! Jan Conger at 17:33 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Lisa--great point--started thinking about the creators Carolyn F. at 17:33 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">you may be getting to this, but am I right that "fair use" exists as a custom, but isn't formally defined in copyright law? Matthew at 17:33 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">@Blake, is it easy to figure out how to use? Mike Sclafani at 17:34 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">@carolyn but even with creative commons kids need to learn to be thoughtful Kristin at 17:34 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Great question to ask kids, are you going to hurt the person by using it? writin4change Janet at 17:34 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">@carolyn ur now on my list :) Kristin at 17:34 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">great point by lisa, also maybe, if possible, have some sort of contact with the creator(s)? Sam at 17:35 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">lol ;º Kristin Carolyn F. at 17:35 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Fair Use is an exemption, not a law Lee at 17:35 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">@Mike yes, it basically opens up a mini search on the right side and you can go from there. You never leave the doc :) Blake at 17:35 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Kids do need to learn how to cite their sources even if it is Fair Use. Jan Conger at 17:35 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Kristin--yes. I meant, for those of them creating their own photos it is a revelation to them that they can "copyright" them with CC Carolyn F. at 17:36 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Yes, Sam, we do try. And sometimes, the creator contacts us and says thanks. Lisa Parisi at 17:36 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Teachers worse than the kids :o/ Arlen Kimmelman at 17:37 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Biggest violation I see is when schools/teachers bring movies from home and play them as a reward. Thus, not written into lesson plans so dmantz7 at 17:39 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Mea culpa Kristin ;) Carolyn F. at 17:39 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">It is connected to the curriculum. dmantz7 at 17:39 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">I'm wondering about having students creating their own photo, putting CC labels on it, and what having that ownership looks like ;) Carolyn F. at 17:40 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">@Arlen, yes, often the teachers feel they can use whatever in the name of education. Dana Huff at 17:40 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">@dmantz7 it is not Fair Use if it is reward. Jan Conger at 17:40 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">I think we need a lawyer on the panel haha Sam at 17:40 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">It's about money. Nancy at 17:40 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">We as educators have to model. We should have citation in our own presentations. Stacia at 17:40 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">I completely agree @ Jan Conger dmantz7 at 17:41 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">citations :-( Stacia at 17:41 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Suppose you purchased PowerPoints from a textbook publisher and you've edited them to use in class. That's ok, but now you are flipping you Cheryl at 17:41 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">So teachers can never show a commercial movie that is made based on a book if the teacher owns a copy of the movie? Eva at 17:41 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">remember citation does not mean you did not violate copyright paul at 17:41 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">owners rights need to be discussed Arlen Kimmelman at 17:42 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Discussion at our table sparks question: does merely citing what you use actually meet requirements for fair use? Matthew at 17:42 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">financial gain discussions? Arlen Kimmelman at 17:42 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">whoops, just answered! Matthew at 17:42 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">CC does call out ownership. Copyright is inherent in all creative work. There does not have to be a formal copyright or © on the work sandy hayes at 17:43 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">personal use vs for-school use get different treatment Arlen Kimmelman at 17:43 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Owning a movie or song doesn't give rights to use other than personally Vicky @visionsbyvicky at 17:43 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">On one level, you don't want to create an environment where pirating discourages creation Mike Sclafani at 17:43 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">talk about pirating with the schools Arlen Kimmelman at 17:43 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">But just citing works used doesn't protect you if someone decides to go after you for infringement. Sonja at 17:43 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">My daughter just asked recently--Mom, if I buy/ download an album, can I make copies for my friends? Erin at 17:44 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">I ask, it's 30 minutes in and what have we learned???? Jane at 17:44 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Article I sec. 8 of the Constitution is the copyright clause Arlen Kimmelman at 17:44 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Anyone know about epubbud? Erin at 17:44 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">@eva, if you just show it & do nothing else, for enjoyment & entertainment, then yes that is infringement Eric at 17:44 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">If citation still might violate copyrights, would students feel "why am i citing then..". Sam at 17:44 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">I explain citation as an intellectual honesty issue more than a copyright issue. Matthew at 17:45 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">@eric, but if we do a compare and contrast activity and discussion then it's ok? Eva at 17:45 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Here is a really helpful resource for teachers and librarians: http://www.amazon.com/Copyright-Schools-Practical-Guide-Series/dp/1586833936/ Carol at 17:46 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Little Brother by author Cory Doctrow available for free download at Creative Commons! Erin at 17:46 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Citing to show resources utilized so they can be checked/verified/discussed paul at 17:46 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">@eva, what is the purpose of the showing? what is the context & situation as she is saying Eric at 17:48 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">It's not about legal vs illegal. It's about thinking and respecting both user and creator rights. GingerLewman at 17:49 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Little Mermaid example does not seem like an honest use of transformative use Mike Sclafani at 17:49 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">I love the specific examples Carolyn F. at 17:49 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">CarolynF, there will be more coming. ;) GingerLewman at 17:50 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">@eric...my purpose was for students to decide which was their favorite book or movie and defend it to the class. Eva at 17:50 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Is the presentation she is showing on the wiki page? Google Carrillo at 17:52 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Hi Bodie. LW at 17:53 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">@Google Carrillo... Yes. http://copyrightconfusion.wikispaces.com/ISTE2012 Carol at 17:53 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Goo.gl/drdCJ GingerLewman at 17:53 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">http://mediaeducationlab.com/document-fair-use-reasoning-process Nathan at 17:54 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Http://goo.gl/drdCJ GingerLewman at 17:54 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">http://librarycopyright.net/resources/genie/ Connie at 17:54 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">http://copyrightconfusion.wikispaces.com/ISTE2012 Lisa Parisi at 17:55 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">PollEv.com/khokanson GingerLewman at 17:55 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Sorry I can't be there, but am enjoying "watching" from WV. Bodie at 17:55 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">I'm hoping we can move a little faster to get through more facts in the last 15-min Paul Strauss at 17:58 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">is there a link to whatever is on the screen? Sam at 17:58 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">This is not Fair or not. It's more, "what would you do?" GingerLewman at 17:59 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Would you claim fair use? Ask permission? Buy a license? Use another copyright friendly source? GingerLewman at 18:00 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">@sam the slides are on the wikispace http://copyrightconfusion.wikispaces.com/iste2012 Kristin at 18:00 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Be sure to consider ALL four factors: nature, purpose, amount, & Meffect of the material. GingerLewman at 18:01 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">interesting question in our group--does French copyright affect this? Carolyn F. at 18:03 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Will that hold up in court of law? Mike Sclafani at 18:04 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Also a question in our group if a student performs the music and records it, does the music have to be purchased--is it a public perform.? Carolyn F. at 18:04 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">This is a thinking session. It's not clean. It about exercising out rights. GingerLewman at 18:05 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Is there any "law" involved in Fair Use? Marilyn at 18:05 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">I think if it goes to a court of law, the balance of power probably doesn't lie with the teachers/schools vs copyright lawyers/big biz Sam at 18:05 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">but are we having our kids think creatively then? Andrea at 18:06 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">what are the links to the youtube videos from the beginning of the session, please?? :] Bob at 18:06 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">All the YouTube links are on the wiki http://copyrightconfusion.wikispaces.com/iste2012 Stacia at 18:07 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Do the same rules apply to student publications (e.g. newspapers) Mike Sclafani at 18:07 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">thanks! :) Bob at 18:07 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">would you say, "whoever can afford the best lawyer wins"? Mitch at 18:08 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Marilyn, that One paragraph excerpt they showed earlier is the only mention of fair use in the act. That's why we need to interpret. Josh at 18:08 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">sometimes you do have to be bold and be ready to take media down ... and then enjoy cliffo at 18:08 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">@mitch, that is entirely possible.. Sam at 18:08 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Bob, everything is on the wiki. http://copyrightconfusion.wikispaces.com/ISTE2012 Lisa Parisi at 18:08 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Thanks, Josh. Marilyn at 18:08 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">@Mitch, maybe, but you might find a lawyer itching to try a precedent-setting case pro bono. Dana Huff at 18:09 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Mitch, it can. But it's about exercising our voices and muscles. I'm not thinking we're headed to Siberia. GingerLewman at 18:09 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNlRAtYuKOo&feature=youtube_gdata_player. Here's one im working with. Thoughts? Thanks CA at 18:09 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNlRAtYuKOo&feature=youtube_gdata_player. Here's one im working with. Thoughts? Thanks CA at 18:09 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNlRAtYuKOo&feature=youtube_gdata_player. Here's one im working with. Thoughts? Thanks CA at 18:10 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Difficult conversation...certainly worthy though Gregg at 18:10 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">What about a site like epubbud that puts current literature up in PDF form? Erin at 18:10 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Anyone posted anything on YouTube and had it blocked or audio muted because of copyright infringement? Sam at 18:10 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">One of our librarians has ;) Sam Carolyn F. at 18:11 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">@Sam, yes. They have bots that scan for audio I believe Mike Sclafani at 18:11 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNlRAtYuKOo&feature=youtube_gdata_player here is one I'm looking at. Ideas? CA at 18:11 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">just mentioned documenting... especially in court you need to have factual information Andrea at 18:11 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">A workshop with no answers = a waste of time Heather at 18:12 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Yes, Sam. Then I reposted and it went through the second time. The bots didn't get it that time. LOL Lisa Parisi at 18:13 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">The "answer" is there is or right answer. That's why we are here. Marilyn at 18:13 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">@Lisa I've heard youtube blacklist accounts. I'm not sure if this is true but its a scary thought. Sam at 18:14 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Fair use is a justification or thinking process not a "do this, don't do that" paul at 18:14 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">That should have said "no right answer". Marilyn at 18:14 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">I hope that by providing questions for further thought, it's about learning and growing. Not black/white. GingerLewman at 18:14 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">@Paul Yes! Marilyn at 18:15 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Nancy Sims - lawyer and university librarian on attribution http://tinyurl.com/7yek866 sandy hayes at 18:15 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">A workshop that raises more questions is pretty good IMHO. Sam at 18:15 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">@Sam, Agree! Dana Huff at 18:15 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">YouTube will definitely blacklist accounts but you can dispute takedowns based on fair use. Vicky @visionsbyvicky at 18:16 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">@sam agreed! Jessie at 18:16 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">@Ginger - great summing up of the issue sandy hayes at 18:16 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">The kids should have to think more in why they are doing things - great learning op Paul Strauss at 18:16 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">In fairness, why does "need" allow theft for non-tangible things? We can't use that logic for food, for example. Mike Sclafani at 18:17 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">I completely agree. Sessions that make you think are better than those "just give me the answer". Think for ourselves. dmantz7 at 18:17 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Copyright counselors, love it! Marilyn at 18:17 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Copyright counselors, not copyright cops. Doug Johnson GingerLewman at 18:17 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">@Paul yes, i'm not from the US, so US Law not really applicable to me, but the learning op for my kids is very much so. Sam at 18:17 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Great comment about being a "counselor" rather than the police. dmantz7 at 18:17 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Less is being taken down from YouTube because of complaint by music publishers now that they can provide a link to iTunes/eMusic - it's fina sandy hayes at 18:17 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">great quote - shifting from copyright cops to copyright counselors Gail Desler at 18:17 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">think its about building a respectful culture cliffo at 18:17 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">think its about building a respectful culture cliffo at 18:18 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Thank you all for coming. Lisa Parisi at 18:18 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Thank you all for coming. Lisa Parisi at 18:18 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Excellent session dmantz7 at 18:19 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Thank you for the information, lots of good stuff today! Lisa coburn at 18:19 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web <span class="message-text" style="font-family: Georgia,'Times New Roman',Times,serif; font-size: 29px;">Great things to think about - thanks!! Paul Strauss at 18:22 PM, 27 Jun 2012 via web